Armin Ronacher's Thoughts and Writings

P(doom)

written on September 12, 2026

This week some flavor of “AI is going to kill us all” went viral. In particular one where an employee put his personal probability of that happening above 10%. Which made me go to the Wikipedia page of P(doom) and I realized that Dario Amodei’s apparent probability of something bad happening seems to be between 10-25%. And well, Dario then wrote about pacing the frontier . And Sam read it and wants to pace too. And well, so does Musk.

I encourage you strongly to read the post, because I think it’s a good one. And yet, when I read the post I could not help but feel in strong opposition to it, despite the fact that I think I’m on the same page with regard to all observations and, to a large degree, the concerns.

I thought it might be interesting to write down my present-day thoughts on this, even if for no other reason than for myself to look back at it a year or two from now.

What Is Doom?

What I really appreciate about Dario’s post is that he lays out a scenario that is not a huge stretch but also one that describes a clear, unfortunate outcome we should fight: persistent botnets and other forms of nuisance. And well, we don’t have to look very far to see the issues left and right. Wikipedia has a page called 2026 OpenAI agent cyberattacks which gives you at least some overview of what we figured out agents have hacked up to this point. Except I know it’s not up to date, because for instance they also poisoned RubyGems.

Today these systems might be annoying, but they can be turned off when we figure out where they are. Except, it seems like OpenAI and Anthropic are operating at such a scale that they seemingly can be completely blind to what their systems are doing.

I don’t think we are anywhere close to a world where an agent might decide to hack into core inference infrastructure to upload weights to other GPUs to survive. But simultaneously it’s entirely in the realm of possibility and primarily curtailed by the labs probably being particularly careful about their IP.

For me the scenario I primarily worry about is what it does to us. And by us I mean anyone who is not currently working on closed weight, dopamine-loaded, subsidized token faucet. I really don’t worry about someone using these models to build a nuke, or to control some rockets in the Middle East, or that America would lose against China in some international culture war. I almost exclusively worry about what this does to us as humans.

What Needs To Be Paced?

What I find absolutely hilarious and simultaneously entirely frustrating about this conversation is that there is this idea that there is something to be paced. First of all, we should really talk about who Dario is talking about here. There are really only two companies: Anthropic and OpenAI. Nobody else matters in this space right now (this might change, but we’re talking about the right now). Both of those companies are basically coming from the same origin. The solution that Dario proposed, at least in part, is a third-party evaluator that in this case is METR. Which, unsurprisingly, also has strong ties to both OpenAI and Anthropic. Sure, there are some philosophical differences between the companies, but they are much more alike than they are different.

Both those companies greatly benefited from being able to train on public data that we all generated in one form or another over the last decades. They are also both increasingly causing strain on public resources, though it seems that OpenAI has their shit way less under control. But now we are presented with the idea that what these models are being trained on is so dangerous that it really should be in the hands of very few American corporations to decide who can do what and when and how.

But behold, Dario is also very worried about China. It starts with using AI for “democracy and freedom” and then it asks for ensuring that a gap with China exists. All new recent shenanigans on the Anthropic API are fully there to prevent the distillation by the Chinese, and they are not at all hiding it.

Automatic Pacing

I can tell you when the topic of AI safety and pacing is much less of a concern: if we actually were forced to have open weight models to begin with. A powerful technology that is out there for everyone to use comes with built-in pacing. In a way it’s the truest form of MAD or proliferation. I would argue we are in this pickle in the first place because right now the public is massively supporting (indirectly) the development of these models but simultaneously has to buy back the economic benefits that they might create from very few labs who have significant power. And their power is also seen as a geopolitical power, at least in the US, and maybe to some lesser degree in China.

And I know I use “public” loosely here. PyPI is not a public project, nor are RubyGems or GitHub. But they’re part of the Open Source commons and large AI companies are currently doing a tremendous job at stressing these in an effort to train ever more powerful models.

We should be glad that China is currently massively bailing out the world. If it were not for Chinese labs distilling American models, we would be in a pretty awful situation right now, particularly as Europeans. The open weight models are driving innovation and the diffusion of capabilities, and are leveling the playing field.

If we greatly restrain our AI capabilities in the belief that China will do the same, and then China defects, AI could be so powerful that such a defection could lead to their geopolitical dominance. Therefore any agreement must either have ironclad verifiability, or must be limited enough that defection would not be militarily existential.

— Dario Amodei

I am assuming Dario has reasons to believe this, but the models that are actually causing issues right now are all closed weight American models. I’m fairly certain if they were open weight models, we would not have that issue. Why? Because for a start, the economics of serving up these models are only that distorted due to how the big labs can operate. OpenAI is casually burning 18 million USD to brute force a problem on a whim. They are operating subscriptions at a massive loss, distorting the market everywhere. If we had mass accessibility on somewhat equal terms, a lot of the crazy issues we are seeing today would not be taking place.

A Total Regulatory Failure

From where I sit, what we observe right now is a total regulatory failure everywhere. In Europe you have some whacky AI regulation that is two years old and completely misses the problems that we actually have and focuses on problems that nobody has. In the US we’re seeing a system that is probably best described as turbo capitalism paired with sinophobia and erratic decision-making. In the chaos in which we find ourselves, the reality emerges. And the reality is, even today, really problematic.

Whatever laws and regulations already exist are largely completely ignored. Plenty of companies are buying data from all over the place that people never agreed could be used for training of AI models. The token economy that is emerging is one that looks like a drug market where you don’t know where the requests are going, what model is served up to you, where the GPUs are even running, let alone what you pay for all of this.

We now have mathematicians who are scared that their use of ChatGPT leads to future models being trained on their ideas, and OpenAI apparently can’t even rule it out.

Ideally the regulators would have forced these models to actually benefit the commons if they are from the commons. The internet has, for instance, greatly benefited from very liberal rulings in the US that permitted scraping. Learning on public data could have been regulated in a way that labs would have to actively support and enable certain forms of distillation. That alone would dramatically change how these models are trained.

What Might Happen?

As I said before, I don’t think AI is going to usher in an extinction event. In fact, even if nobody were to slow down, I really don’t think humanity would have much to worry about. I tend to think it would actually be the large labs that have much more to lose there in reputation and legal responsibilities. I find it preposterous that OpenAI’s agents are committing actual crimes out there, but we’re just shrugging our shoulders and moving on as if nothing happened. But I’m sure executives in those companies are waking up to the reality that this is not at all popular with a lot of their potential consumers.

I also think that this entire recursive self-improvement business has a good chance of being a problem. But not necessarily in that it will cause the end of humanity or societies, but that it will just do massive damage everywhere.

And really, it will just make a lot of the things we are doing much more expensive. Software engineering is an early victim of that. The newfound powers so far have resulted in a new tax that companies need to pay to the model providers, both to keep up with the new speed and to deal with the problem of these machines finding security issues left and right.

And presumably what is going on in software will happen to more industries. Universities and research groups will have to pour a lot of money into the closed models as well, to keep up with others who do.

In a way, I’m really confused that society is taking all of this so well.

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